lvl games are now unnecessary and unwarranted now on a gaming website. You have a beautiful mind.

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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Wow, RNK, you really showed this guy who's boss!:



Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:17

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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Further documentation of M'Hunters harassment of another clan and its players:

player - https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3631391841

screenshots - (this is from a conversation with Relm talking to a M'H alt he'd discovered)







(Note that the first message was from Zephyrum)

Normally, this kind of thing is a one-off, a bad egg, something that doesn't reflect a whole community. But with the toxic culture of M'Hunters (documented in the extremely personal responses in the thread I linked in my first post here), it probably isn't.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe BlackBart is just completely violating everything the M'Hunters stand for. Maybe the M'Hunters will tell him it's not okay and actually discourage him from doing this in the future. Maybe they'll even go further than just criticizing him once or twice in their private Skype conversation. They're clearly very selective when it comes to player skill, but apparently not so much when it comes to player behavior.

I hope they prove me wrong.

Let's please do our part to tell them that just being good at a game doesn't give you the license to be an asshole.

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:22

lvl games are now unnecessary and unwarranted now on a gaming website. You have a beautiful mind.
Please read my entire post, you clearly just took something out of context. I stated that the attacks on knyte, including the call to a 1v1 game to prove his argument was unnecessary and unwarranted. How you got the statement that 1v1 games are unnecessary and unwarranted is beyond me. Please stop being toxic, or if you are going to refuse to change your personality on the forums, including attacking people for just stating the facts, just leave, we would prefer a less toxic community.

There is absolutely no evidence in that post that the player was an alt for an MH player. Furthermore, do you really think you can trust a level 9 alt to be truthful about who owns it? Sounds a lot more like somebody hated MH and spammed Zeph.

"You couldn't beat me in a lvl"

Nobody other than an M'Hunter is a degenerate enough to say lvl instead of 1v1. You do it yourself.

somebody hated MH and spammed Zeph.

Try reading before activating brainless monkey defense force mode, thank you very much.

Edited 7/21/2016 04:19:46

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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Nikolai, I thought we agreed in that chat we had on your 1v1 that you'd move on from making excuses and toward holding your clanmates to the same standards you hold the rest of us to.

But I guess this is yet another little bit of proof that M'H aren't even going to bother investigating their player's behavior and would rather believe in conspiracy theories to excuse it.

Tbh until I saw this I didn't even know who BlackBart is. I'd be very much surprised if he'd incurred someone's hate to that level.

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:32

TBH, you are the last person on planet earth to be calling out flaws. From spewing venom all over Division D thread just to increase the number of posts to plastering your graffiti all over the same thread to increase its post count to handing over MR to hostile actors inside of TLW to operating a horrific troll called NIGHT that rampaged the forums creating numerous idiotic threads, baiting rage, and trolling for weeks.

You forgot about that, didn't you? You are the King of Trolls and you dare to safegaurd the integrity of the forum. Absolutely despicable.

Edited 7/21/2016 04:31:10

lol their arguing is what is keeping this thread title alive for all to see

Edited 7/21/2016 04:33:09

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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From spewing venom all over Division D thread just to increase the number of posts to plastering your graffiti all over the same thread to increase its post count to handing over MR to hostile actors inside of TLW to operating a horrific troll called NIGHT that rampaged the forums creating numerous idiotic threads, baiting rage, and trolling for weeks

0. Please stop responding to everything I say with a personal attack. There's actual substance here, too.

1. We've already established that TLW accusation was wrong. In the CL thread. You read it. You responded to it. At this point you know it's false and yet you continue to slander me. This is what's wrong with your clan.

2. Yes. I was NIGHT. Literally all NIGHT did was crudely imitate certain people like Karl. And yes I was an asshole. Like I said, I made mistakes. I tried to learn from them, and I'm glad people called me out when I did something wrong. I'm just trying to do the same thing for you guys.

But forum spam isn't the same as ladder cheating or harassment. Why does this community constantly yell for moderation when we deal with forum spam yet say "I did it too" or just shrug when it comes to actual cheating and harassing people?

Everything below this is in response to Nikolai's comment before he edited it, where it was just saying I'm attacking him for having a "different point of view."

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Norman slandering me and getting away with it because you're not gonna do shit about it isn't the same as "a different point of view."

Harmful behavior is different, but it's not harmful because it's different.

Again, I get it. You're scared of Norman kicking you out like Ben did:



But what you're doing now is just letting Norman continue to harass the rest of us when you actually have the power to do something about it- much more power than I do. Norman doesn't respect me. He doesn't respect Forbidden Knowledge. He doesn't respect many people outside M'H. But you're in M'H. You can at least try to get through to him.


(This is from https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11612889; in case he deletes it, all screenshots are at http://imgur.com/a/FXJV4)

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:37

The "Holier than thou" knyte is actually a gigantic troll with no credibility what so ever. Don't pretend to protect the same "community" that you terrorized for weeks on end. You are the ultimate hypocrite.

NIGHT has caused more damage to this community than any M'Hunter ever has. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Edited 7/21/2016 04:37:14

Stop derailing.

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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Aaaaand we're back to "let's make personal attacks b/c I've got no substance" mode here. Great.

Forum spam sucks. I was an asshole, and NIGHT was a bad idea. Again, thanks for calling me out over it. I'm glad you did, or I might not have stopped as quickly.

But why does it seem that this community thinks that forum spam is so much worse than ladder cheating and people like Norman (and you now) actually harassing and slandering us with accusations you know to be false? When there's a thread about forum spam, we all scream for moderation and action from Fizzer now! And yet when there's something about ladder cheating or something that's actually really really really bad for us, we just shrug and excuse that behavior. Is it because that kind of behavior comes from elite players? Idk. But this makes no sense.

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:44

I didn't hear you debunk my premise. I don't know why anybody even listens to somebody who tore the community apart and then comes back like a two faced bitch and says he wants to heal it. You have no credibility.

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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NIGHT was bad. NIGHT did not tear the community apart. It was stupid, it was spammy... but I'm disappointed you're saying it "tore the community apart" as if it's worse than Norman and your clan harassing other people and treating us like shit + your clan condoning cheating in multiple places.

Here it is: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/159812-clan-league-8-division-c-official-thread?Offset=572

You responded to it, too.

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:50

I felt compelled to answer your bullshit and I was right to call you out. The fact is that you spammed the forums with stupid, misogynistic, racsist, bigoted comments and promoted hate. And why? For personal enjoyment. You are the lowest form of human being.

How many of the other trolly alts where yours? How many times did you enjoy yourself at the expense of the community?

As a representative from the D division, i can assure you that Knytes input in the main was very appreciated.
Whatever his motives for doing the graphs etc. they really added to the enjoyment of the division.

However, to say the clan league is corrupt would be an understatement.
No, AI should not have participated, but that's just the start....
All these players NOT playing for the clan they belong to makes a mockery of the whole premise of the league.

I have to also say that i believe Knyte is being extremely hypocritical in pointing to AI and his cheating when Semice was allowed to play in HIS team after clan hijackings.

The league is very imperfect, but no point squabbling over the rights and wrongs of the running of it or any particular clan. It's all we have and the community is grateful to have it on the whole

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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Really? More accusations?

I've linked all my main alts from my profile. Beyond that, there's S A V A G E (L1 unused) and two ChrisCMU's where the profile picture is Carnegie Mellon (unused)

But if you want to be sure, ask Fizzer. He knows which IP addresses I've played from. He can tell you easily.

Until you aren't, please stop making more and more accusations and pretending that it's the same as calling out my "bullshit."

@indibob: I take full responsibility for letting Semice participate. I did internally reprimand him within the clan (he was removed from all leadership positions) but understand that allowing him to represent us still promotes his bad behavior and could've possibly offset the disincentives I created by kicking him out of clan leadership. Apologies on my behalf for that. It seems like I let my friendship and respect for Semice create a blind spot. :/

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:59

NIGHT has caused more damage to this community than any M'Hunter ever has. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I think your argument in this case lacks great support. Here we have a person having admitted to the fact that A. It caused damage, B. Owning up to their error, and C. now trying to change the community for the better. Compared to an entire clan that has A. Effectively endorsed cheating, as they will go defend AI against all cheating charges, despite the fact that the entire forum at this point knows that he cheated, and what amounts to a slap on the wrist in regards to punishment for the cheating. B. Intentionally trash talks everyone, this is basically trolling, so you've already exceeded NIGHT, congrats. and C. Doesn't attempt to change, even after people have asked for the change, something that knyte has done. In my eyes, the cheating charge alone exceeds anything ever done or doable on these forums that isn't a ban, as you are now endorsing a ban-able offense basically because you are good enough players that you don't have to worry about it. Secondly, you do a lot of trash-talking, which in my view is actually worse than trolling, as trash-talking to me is a sign of bad sportsmanship, and not anyone I would like to be associated with, trolling on the other hand is more handle-able. Then there is the fact that about every 2 posts, you attack the commentators with out of context items, things that commentator has already owned up to, or their lack of skill. While the second item group listed is most commonly a bad thing, they have already recognized their mistake, and have changed their forum act to reflect that error, something that M'Hunters is yet to do. That fact alone makes your group worse, as being able to recognize a mistake and attempt to fix it is a infinite times better than continuously committing the same offense. Please leave the forum if you are not able to be civilized in your responses.